Pop- und Rocktexte mit historischen Inhalten

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  1. Ashigaru

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    So eine Sammlung haben wir, glaube ich noch nicht. Wenn sich es textlich selbst bei großen Popmusikern oft eher seicht abspielt, gibt es doch Ausnahmen, die dann auch mal ins historische abdriften - mit erstaunlichen Ergebnissen.

    Wer hätte etwa gewusst, dass Mark Knopfler mal eine Ballade über zwei englische Vermesser des 18. Jahrhundert gemacht hat:

    Sailing to Philadelphia

    I am Jeremiah Dixon
    I am a Geordie Boy
    A glass of wine with you, sir
    And the ladies I'll enjoy
    All Durham and Northumberland
    Is measured up by my own hand
    It was my fate from birth
    To make my mark upon the earth...


    He calls me Charlie Mason
    A stargazer am I
    It seems that I was born
    To chart the evening sky
    They'd cut me out for baking bread
    But I had other dreams instead
    This baker's boy from the west country
    Would join the Royal Society...


    We are sailing to Philadelphia
    A world away from the coaly Tyne
    Sailing to Philadelphia
    To draw the line
    The Mason-Dixon line


    Now you're a good surveyor, Dixon
    But I swear you'll make me mad
    The West will kill us both
    You gullible Geordie lad
    You talk of liberty
    How can America be free
    A Geordie and a baker's boy
    In the forest of the Iroquois...


    Now hold your head up, Mason
    See America lies there
    The morning tide has raised
    The capes of Delaware
    Come up and feel the sun
    A new morning is begun
    Another day will make it clear
    Why your stars should guide us here...


    We are sailing to Philadelphia
    A world away from the coaly Tyne
    Sailing to Philadelphia
    To draw the line
    The Mason-Dixon line
     
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  2. Ashigaru

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    Oder sich die dienstalte deutsche Punkband "Boxhamsters" sich dem Schicksal deutscher Fremdenlegionäre in den 1950er Jahren angenommen hätte:

    Dien bien phu

    ausgebombt und angekotzt und nix zu fressen in der Pfanne
    Eltern und der Führer tot - da winkte ihm die Marianne

    ab auf's Schiff und angetreten unter hohen Atlashügeln
    jedem blauen seine Braut, doch erstmal lernst du richtig bügeln
    langer Marsch - die alten Lieder - lernt er in der Wüste schwitzen
    alles Laufschritt - attention! geschliffen bis sie blutig pissen

    einmal geht es auf die Reise und auf jene Weise
    wo der Teufel lost, ob du wiederkehren kannst
    einmal geht es auf die Reise und auf jene Weise
    wo der Teufel würfelt, mit euch um jeden Mann

    mit der alten Bremen geht's nach Tonkin und zu Onkel Ho
    Abmarsch in die Hölle, denn da warten eure Gräber schon
    55 lange Tage zieht sich das Geschlachte hin
    und am allerletzten liegt er tot im Schoße von Claudine

    am Ende war'n fast alle tot
    Clairons geblasen zum Salut!

    einmal geht es auf die Reise nach Hause auf die Weise
    wo keine Schwestern weinen und keine Mami winkt
    einmal geht es auf die Reise nach Hause auf die Weise
    mit buntem Blech geehrt oder einfach ganz in Zink

    zum Sterben war'n sie viel zu gut
    Clairons geblasen zum Salut!
     
  3. tela

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    The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down (Robbie Robertston - The Band) über den Amerikanischen Bürgerkrieg.

    Virgil Caine is my name and I drove on the Danville train
    Til Stonewall's cavalry came and tore up the tracks again
    In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive
    I took the train to Richmond that fell
    It was a time I remember, oh, so well

    (CHORUS)
    The night they drove old Dixie down
    And all the bells were ringin
    The night they drove old Dixie down
    And all the people were singin'
    They went, na na na na na, na na na na

    Back with my wife in Tenessee
    And one day she said to me,
    Virgil, quick come see
    There goes the Robert E. Lee
    Now I don't mind chopping wood
    And I don't care if the money's no good
    Just take what you need and leave the rest
    But they should never have taken the very best

    (CHORUS)

    Like my father before me, I'm a working man
    And like my brother before me, I took a rebel stand
    Oh, he was just 18, proud and brave
    But a yankee laid him in his grave
    I swear by the blood below my feet
    You can't raise a Caine back up when he's in defeat

    (CHORUS)
     
  4. tela

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    Über die Tragödie von Altamond schrieben die auch beteiligten Grateful Dead den New Speedway Boogie.

    Please don't dominate the rap, jack, if you've got nothing new to say.
    If you please, don't back up the track; this train's got to run today.
    I spent a little time on the mountain, I spent a little time on the hill.
    Axioms say "Better run away", others say "better stand still".

    Now I don't know, but I been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold.
    Other hand I have heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

    Who can deny, who can deny, it's not just a change in style?
    One step done and another begun and I wonder how many miles.
    I spent a little time on the mountain, I spent a little time on the hill.
    Things went down we don't understand, but I think in time we will.
    Now, I don't know but I was told in the heat of the sun a man died of cold.
    Keep on coming or stand and wait, with the sun so dark and the hour so late.
    You can't overlook the lack, jack, of any other highway to ride.
    It's got no signs or dividing lines and very few rules to guide.

    I spent a little time on the mountain, I spent a little time on the hill.
    I saw things getting out of hand, I guess they always will.
    Now I don't know but I been told
    If the horse don't pull you got to carry the load.
    I don't know whose back's that strong, maybe find out before too long.


    One way or another, one way or another,
    One way or another, this darkness got to give.
    (Repeat 2x)
     
  5. Brissotin

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    Gibt es das auch online hörbar?
     
  6. Brissotin

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    Nicht nur in Schottland, Irland oder Vancouver angesiedelt sind die Texte der "Real McKenzies".
    Hier:

    Lads Who Fought & Won

    That Serbian man
    Assassinated Archduke Ferdinand
    With what would transpire
    Would change the world
    And set Europe afire

    On one side the Czar and the King
    And on the other stood
    The Kaiser and Ottoman thang
    The boys and the men and the girls
    Were armed and mobilzed
    Their forces aligned

    They crawled through the mud
    And they cut through the wire
    A constant assault of artillery fire
    The curtain of shrappel
    Took the flesh from the bone
    They fell in the field
    And never got home

    They were the lads
    Who fought and won

    Up over the bridge
    A heavy fortress lies
    Atop of the ridge
    Bristling with guns
    Autro-Hungarian Empire dug in

    They fought through the night
    Like the devil at dawn
    The enemy captured
    Or dead on the ground
    It wasn't achieved without terrible loss
    Posthumous award of Victoria Cross

    They were the lads
    Who fought and won




    Bei dem Text ist wohl selbsterklärend, wann sich das abgespielt hat.​
     
  7. tela

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    Geht die Geschichte von Samson und Delilah als historisch durch?

    Samson & Delilah (traditionel)

    Delilah was a woman, she was fine and fair.
    Ooh, she had good looks, God knows, and coal black hair.
    Delilah she gained old Samson's mind.
    When first he saw this woman, Lord! He couldn't believe his mind.

    Delilah she climbed up on Samson's knee,
    Said tell me where your strength lies if you please,
    And she spoke so kind, and talked so fair,
    Samson said, "Delilah, cut off my hair."

    "You can shave my head clean as my hand,
    my strength will become as natural as any old man."

    If I had my way, if I had my way, if I had my way,
    I would tear this old building down.

    You read about Samson, all from his works.
    He was the strongest man that ever lived on earth.
    One day while Samson was walking along,
    Looked down on the ground, he saw an old jawbone.

    Well, he reached out his arm, God knows, chains broke like thread.
    When he got to moving, ten thousand was dead.

    If I had my way, if I had my way, if I had my way,
    I would tear this old building down.

    Now Samson and the lion, they got in a tack.
    Samson he crawled up on the lion's back.
    You read about this lion, he killed a man with his paw,
    Samson got his hands up around that lion's jaw.

    And he ripped that beast, God knows, he killed him dead.
    And the bees made honey in the lion's head.

    If I had my way, if I had my way, if I had my way,
    I would tear this old building down.
     
  8. Brissotin

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    Fragt sich vielmehr, ob Traditionals hier auch durchgehen. Sonst findest Du unendlich viele Texte, die vom Folk zum Rock, Punk und sonstwas übergingen und Geschichten "von damals" beschreiben.
     
  9. Ashigaru

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  10. tela

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    Wenn sie ein historisches Thema beeinhalten, sehe ich kein Problem damit.
     
  11. iamNex

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    Gabs so ein Thema nicht schon 2x?
     
  12. Ashigaru

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    Also, ich erinnere mich nur, dass umtriebig "Gedichte zur Geschichte" gesammelt wurden, oder Sachen, die man persönlich gerade hört.
    Ich werde es aber mal in Geschichtsmedien verschieben, da gehört es eher hin.
     
  13. Lili

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    Mein Vater würde an seinem erzieherischen Einfluss zweifeln, würde mir bei dem Thema nicht sofort eine Band einfallen: Iron Maiden. Exemplarisch für die vielen Iron Maiden-Songs mit historischem Bezug den Text von "Aces High" der vom Luftkrieg über England während des 2. Weltkriegs handelt.

    Aces High

    There goes the siren that warns of the air raid
    Then comes the sound of the guns sending flak
    Out for the scramble, we've got to get airborne
    Got to get up for the coming attack

    Jump in the cockpit and start up the engines
    Remove all the wheelblocks, there's no time to waste
    Gathering speed as we head down the runway
    Got to get airborne before it's too late

    Running, scrambling, flying
    Rolling, turning, diving
    Going in again
    Running, scrambling, flying
    Rolling, turning, diving

    Run,
    Live to fly, fly to live, do or die
    Won't you
    Run, live to fly, fly to live
    Aces high

    Move in to fire at the mainstream of bombers
    Let off a sharp burst and then turn away
    Roll over, spin round to come in behind them
    Move to their blindsides and firing again

    Bandits at 8 o'clock are moving behind us
    Ten ME-109's out of the sun
    Ascending and turning, our spitfires to face them
    Heading straight for them I press down my guns.

    Rolling, turning, diving
    Rolling, turning, diving
    Going in again
    Rolling, turning, diving
    Rolling, turning, diving

    Run,
    Live to fly, fly to live, do or die
    Won't you
    Run, live to fly, fly to live
    Aces high...

    Ja und ich wäre nicht wenn jetzt nicht noch das kommen würde: (hach... Bono....) "Sunday Bloody Sunday" von U2 zum Blutsonntag 1972 im Rahmen des Nordirlandkonflikts:

    Sunday Bloody Sunday

    I can't believe the news today
    oh I can't close my eyes and make it go away
    how long how long must we sing this song
    how long how long 'cause tonight we can be as one tonight
    Broken bottles under children's feet
    bodies strewn across the dead end street
    but I won't heed the battle call
    it puts my back up puts my back up against the wall
    Sunday bloody Sunday Sunday bloody Sunday
    Sunday bloody Sunday Sunday bloody Sunday

    And the battle's just begun
    there's many lost but tell me who has won
    the trench is dug within our hearts
    and mothers children brothers sisters torn apart
    Sunday bloody Sunday Sunday bloody Sunday

    How long how long must we sing this song how long how long
    'cause tonight we can be as one tonight tonight
    Sunday bloody Sunday Sunday bloody Sunday

    Wipe the tears from your eyes wipe your tears away
    oh wipe your tears away oh wipe your tears away
    Sunday bloody Sunday Sunday bloody Sunday
    Sunday bloody Sunday Sunday bloody Sunday
    Sunday bloody Sunday Sunday bloody Sunday

    And it's true we are immune when fact is fiction and TV reality
    and today the millions cry we eat and drink while tomorrow they die
    the real battle just begun to claim the victory Jesus won on
    Sunday bloody Sunday Sunday bloody Sunday
     
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  14. iamNex

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    Fort Minor - Kenji

    Handelt von Japanern, die nach Pearl Harbor in den USA in Camps gesteckt wurden...nette lyrics.
     
  15. Ashigaru

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    Mehr schon die Enzyklopädie unter den "historischen" Popsongs ist Billy Joels "We didn't start the fire", in der im Zeitraffer Ereignisse und Persönlichkeiten besonders von 1949-1963, aber auch von 1964-1989 abgehandelt wurden.

    Obwohl ich nicht gerade der Joel-Fan bin, der Text ist irgendwie schon sehr gut gelungen.

    We did'nt start the fire

    Harry Truman Doris Day Red China Johnnie Ray
    South Pacific Walter Winchell Joe DiMaggio
    Joe McCarthy Richard Nixon Studebacker television
    North Korea South Korea Marilyn Monroe
    Rosenbergs H-bomb Sugar Ray Panmunjom
    Brando The King and I and The catcher in the Rye
    Eisenhower vaccine England's got a new queen
    Maricano liberace Santayana goodbye

    We didn't start the fire
    it was always burning
    since the world's been turning
    we didn't start the fire
    no we didn't light it
    but we tried to fight it

    Joseph Stalin Malenkov Nasser and Prokofiev
    Rockefeller Campanella communist block
    Roy Cohn Juan Peron Toscanini dacron
    Dien Bien Phu falls Rock around the clock
    Einstein James Dean Brooklyn's got a winning team
    Davy Crockett Peter Pan Elvis Presley Disneyland
    Bardot Budapest Alabama Krushchev
    Princess Grace Peyton Place trouble in the Suez


    We didn't start the fire
    it was always burning
    since the world's been turning
    we didn't start the fire
    no we didn't light it
    but we tried to fight it


    Little rock Pasternak Mickey Mantle Kerouac
    Sputnik Chou En-Lai Bridge on the River Kwai
    Lebanon Charles de Gaulle California baseball
    starkweather homicide children of thalidomide
    Buddy Holly Ben Hur space monkey Mafia
    hula hoops Castro Edsel is a no-go
    U2 Syngman Rhee payola and Kennedy
    Chubby Checker Psycho Belgians in the Congo
    We didn't start the fire
    it was always burning
    since the world's been turning
    we didn't start the fire
    no we didn't light it
    but we tried to fight it
    Hemingway Eichmann Stranger in a strange land
    Dylan Berlin Bay of Pigs invasion
    Lawrence of Arabia British Beatlemania
    Ole Miss John Glenn Liston beats Patterson
    Pope Paul Malcolm X British politican sex
    JFK blown away what else do I have to say


    We didn't start the fire
    it was always burning
    since the world's been turning
    we didn't start the fire
    no we didn't light it
    but we tried to fight it


    Birth control Ho Chi Minh Richard Nixon back again
    moonshot Woodstock Watergate punk rock
    begin Reagan Palestine terror on the airline
    Ayatollah's in Iran Russians in Afghanistan
    Wheel of fortune Sally Ride heavy metal suicide
    foreign debts homeless vets AIDS cracks Bernie Goetz
    hypodermics on the shores China's under martial law
    rock and roller cola wars I can't take it anymore


    We didn't start the fire...

    P.S.: interessant dazu noch:
    "Billy Joel erklärt die Motivation zu diesem Stück mit seinem Geschichtsinteresse. Hätte er nicht als Musiker Karriere gemacht, so wäre er angeblich gerne Geschichtslehrer geworden. Andere Quellen behaupten, dass die Idee zu diesem Stück entstand, als Joel zufällig die Bemerkung eines Kindes hörte, das die „alten Leute“ (wie Joel selbst, der damals 40 Jahre alt war) bemitleidete, weil in deren Leben so wenig Geschichtsträchtiges passiert sei. Joel wollte mit diesem Text das Gegenteil beweisen."

    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Didn’t_Start_the_Fire
     
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  16. tela

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    Der hier darf natürlich auch nicht fehlen. Country Joe über Vietnam:

    I Feel Like I'm Fixin To Die Rag

    Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
    Uncle Sam needs your help again.
    He's got himself in a terrible jam
    Way down yonder in Vietnam
    So put down your books and pick up a gun,
    We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

    And it's one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam;
    And it's five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
    Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

    Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
    Why man, this is war au-go-go
    There's plenty good money to be made
    By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
    But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
    They drop it on the Viet Cong.

    And it's one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam.
    And it's five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain't no time to wonder why
    Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

    Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
    Your big chance has come at last.
    Now you can go out and get those reds
    'Cause the only good commie is the one that's dead
    And you know that peace can only be won
    When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

    And it's one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam;
    And it's five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain't no time to wonder why
    Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

    Come on mothers throughout the land,
    Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
    Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
    To send your sons off before it's too late.
    And you can be the first ones in your block
    To have your boy come home in a box.

    And it's one, two, three
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam.
    And it's five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
    Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
     
  17. Arne

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    Oha, da gibt es aber viel...

    Von POCO gibt es ein ganzes Album über den amerikanischen Bürgerkrieg "Blue & Grey" (schön zu hören).

    Dann fällt mir noch Chris de Burgh ein mit seinem Crusader-Song (über 8 Minuten Saladin, Richard Löwenherz und die Kreuzritter).

    Zum Irland-Konflikt wurde ja schon "Bloody Sunday" gepostet. Dahinter könnte noch "Zombie" von den Cranberries.

    Kein Pop/Rock, aber Country:
    Johnny Cash, das "America"-Album zum 200.Geburtstag der USA. Alles amerikanische Geschichte.
     
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  18. Repo

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    Ich weiß jetzt nicht, ob man da von einem historischen Text sprechen kann.

    das Lied fehlte in keiner durchgesoffenen Nacht Ende der 60er Anfangs der 70er, lässt sich auch auf der Gitarre relativ einfach "runterklopfen".
    Die US-Altersgenossen zogen nach Vietnam...

    zurück geht es ziemlich sicher darauf

    Die Übersetzung (1917) eines litauischen Volksliedes
     
  19. Repo

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    Eigentlich schade, dass die vielen schönen Lieder von 1848 keiner jemals verjazzt hat.
    (Zumindest wäre mir keines bekannt.)

    Eine wirkliche Lücke.

    .... er hängt an keinem Baume, er hängt an keinem Strick, sondern an dem Traume von der freien Republik.....
     
  20. Repo

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    Und dann noch das Soldatenlied überhaupt

    zigmal übersetzt und verjazzt usw. usf.
     

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